{"id":166,"date":"2014-01-27T12:51:29","date_gmt":"2014-01-27T12:51:29","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/senan.org.uk\/?p=166"},"modified":"2021-01-27T12:53:28","modified_gmt":"2021-01-27T12:53:28","slug":"playing-parai-caste-class-and-liberation","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/senan.org.uk\/?p=166","title":{"rendered":"Playing Parai\/ Caste, class and liberation"},"content":{"rendered":"<div>\n<p><em>(This response connected to earlier debate \u2013 Please see notes (3) for additional details<\/em>\u00a0)<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p>The Parai, a musical instrument dating back to ancient times, is used by the south Indian population. Many different Parai instruments have many social uses. Research into its uses, at times through Tamil literature, reveals how different social groups\u2019 use of the Parai related to the specific social structure that existed at a given time.<\/p>\n<p>When the caste system solidified, the Parai became identified as the instrument of a particular caste, called \u2018Paraiyar\u2019 in Tamil (it has a different name in Telugu, for example). Although the term \u2018Parai\u2019 retained some of its earlier meaning of \u2018communicate\u2019 in the Tamil and Kerala languages, the term Parai under the caste system began to travel to a number of other languages including English.<\/p>\n<p>This is why we oppose the use of \u2018Pariah\u2019 in English \u2013 although the term is mostly used by English speakers with no knowledge of how it\u2019s linked to abusive terminology. Raising awareness of caste oppression among western populations is vital to combat the discrimination that is taking place among the south Indian Diaspora.<\/p>\n<p>In India, the Parai instrument is now used by various Dalit groups as a symbol of struggle \u2013 a symbol of freedom. One such group based in Tamil Nadu is called \u201cPuthar Kalaik Kulu\u201d (Buddha Art Forum). The emergence of Buddhism in India has long been linked to the fightback against the caste system that is rigidly maintained by Hinduism.<\/p>\n<p>Dr BR Ambedkar, who challenged the caste system in the fight for Indian independence and after, employed various methods in his attempts to defeat caste discrimination. He even tried to convert oppressed caste people to Buddhism. This tradition still remains, and a number of Dalit groups take up Buddhism to try to fight back. Sadly, Buddhist-linked states, such as in Sri Lanka or Burma, actually seek to crush all attempts at resistance by oppressed minorities in those countries.<\/p>\n<p>Nonetheless the Buddha Art Forum in Tamil Nadu has done inspiring work \u2013 raising the Parai instrument as a symbol of struggle. They don\u2019t use this instrument at funerals, as the caste tradition has it; instead they play it at weddings, particularly mixed marriage weddings. This helps to promote awareness against caste oppression. At the same time this group vehemently opposes the atrocities that are taking place in Sri Lanka in the name of Buddha and have played Parai in many Tamil left \u2018nationalist\u2019 meetings.<\/p>\n<p>Inspired by this, a group of youth in London also took up this instrument as a symbol of struggle. Under the name \u201cParai \u2013 Voice of Freedom\u201d (P-VOF) they began to use the instrument at various events. This group however did not emerge with any particular identity. It is also informed by the use of ancient instruments by the African population at political meetings in London. The youth saw Parai as a Tamil instrument \u2013 and as a symbol of freedom \u2013 and wanted to popularise it as a freedom symbol in the west. They were totally aware of the caste connotation; however, for them the Parai is not only an instrument of \u2018caste liberation\u2019.<\/p>\n<p>As I understand by talking to them, they see that they are reclaiming this instrument (\u2018weapon\u2019 as they put it) from a dominant \u2018Aryan-Brahminical Hinduism\u2019 which oppressed all what is \u2018Dravidian\u2019 (or Tamil) and maintained \u2018untouchability\u2019. This is also not an organised group, and the Parai playing is open to anyone interested, including to those from a \u2018Brahmin\u2019 caste as long as they shared a similar conviction \u2013 ie the need to campaign for liberation against national oppression, caste and all other discrimination. They did not ask the caste background of those who wanted to play. They also didn\u2019t ask which part of Sri Lanka or India they came from (north, east, south, etc). Playing is also open to Africans and whites.<\/p>\n<p>The Paraiyar caste in both India and Sri Lanka has a tremendous history of struggling to break with the insult unleashed on them by oppressors. It wasn\u2019t that they didn\u2019t like the instrument, on the contrary it\u2019s a proud possession. But they were forced to use it in an insulting way at funerals and other events that re-imposed the oppressing caste domination. They fought back against this insult. There are many examples.<\/p>\n<p>Incidents also took place in the areas that the LTTE (Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam), who fought the war with the Sri Lankan state for separate Tamil homeland, controlled. Although the LTTE did not take decisive action, they managed to ban the use of the Parai in funerals. Due to the history of oppression, some will almost definitely oppose the use of the Parai. This should be understood. When so-called research into caste, or a caste-based \u2018act\u2019 takes place, the first to oppose it is not the oppressing caste but the oppressed caste. Those who suffered don\u2019t want to be reminded of their pain and fear, or to have caste oppression re-emphasised. Academics who conduct research are never sensitive to this. In the interest of \u2018research\u2019 which shines no additional light on historic truth, they completely exploit the enforced silence of the oppressed masses.<\/p>\n<p>The use of the Parai is no exception. It should invite movement from the oppressed caste. Dalit activists and others are trying to give a different emphasis to this instrument to upset the caste hierarchy (such as playing in weddings). This, however, should not be at the expense of either \u2018silencing\u2019 or in spite of the opposition from the oppressed caste. If there is a call from them (not individuals with vested interests, but a movement) to stop \u2013 the use of Parai must be stopped. There is no question about it despite whether it is \u2018right\u2019 or \u2018wrong\u2019.<\/p>\n<p>But calling for a ban on the use of Parai or any other instrument is not an effective action. Neither the caste system nor the use of the Parai in an insulting way will remove themselves from history without a struggle. But there are many ways the fightback can emerge, including through the \u2018remodelling\u2019 of the instrument and its role. This, of course, is not going to eradicate caste or insults that the oppressing caste associate with this instrument. Hence why socialists link these actions to the need for a general fightback against all oppression, without which it will be meaningless and like every other fightback, at risk of failing.<\/p>\n<p>Once P-VOF had started to play Parai, however, a certain dissatisfaction began to emerge slowly. Those who promote caste-based oppression in the Tamil community felt totally uncomfortable with the existence of such a group, of course. But the group also attracted \u2018liberal\u2019 minded \u2018intellectual\u2019 types. However, they were not able to support the youth involved in P-VOF as they saw these young people as \u2018nationalist\u2019 \u2013 ie the intellectuals considered that P-VOF supported militant struggle for a separate Tamil homeland in Sri Lanka (Tamil Eelam).<\/p>\n<p>These intellectuals, so-called, demanded \u2018purity\u2019 in this respect and suggested the group\u2019s name should be changed, rejecting the word \u2018freedom\u2019 in particular. The youth refused to budge. Although the Parai is a folk instrument, these young people said their group is not an art group but a political grouping to \u2018communicate freedom struggle\u2019. Thus failed the attempt at \u2018intellectual appropriation\u2019 of the group.<\/p>\n<p>P-VOF uses the term \u2018freedom\u2019 with the widest possible meaning, including freedom from caste oppression. But for those whose sole raison d\u2019etre appears to be opposing the Tigers (LTTE) it has only one meaning. In 2009 the Sri Lankan state carried out a genocidal slaughter of tens of thousands of Tamils. Some in the Diaspora refused to oppose the war completely in the name of opposing the LTTE. These people argued that the butchery of the military conflict could continue as long as the people were left out of it \u2013 an utterly wrong and purely utopian wish. Outrageously, they also opposed the massive anti-war movement of youth that took place in London.\u00a0 Most of the youth who protested outside the British parliament at that time did not have a clear political perspective or goal \u2013 but they were united in anger against the Sri Lankan state and clearly and correctly demanded an end to the killings. Since 2009 the understanding of \u2018freedom struggle\u2019 is evolving for these young people. Some are beginning to dedicate time to building mass struggle for freedom.<\/p>\n<p>But soon after the war ended in Sri Lanka, pressure began to mount on Diaspora activists. Denunciation of the LTTE was demanded. An intensive post-war report by the ICG (International Crisis Group), for example, denounced Tamilnet as a pure pro-Tiger website. Linked to this attempt to snap the links with the history of the LTTE was a demand that the Diaspora takes the TNA as its leadership and campaigns for reconciliation and equal rights. This pressure continues to this day despite the efforts of Tamil \u2018nationalist\u2019 organisations to condemn the mistakes of the LTTE and the calls for a war crimes investigation into both the Sri Lankan state and the LTTE together.<\/p>\n<p>In effect, what the Sri Lankan regime argued, in chorus with pro-capitalist western governments, is that the period of struggle is over. Every single word is aimed at finding a solution through \u2018parliamentary political\u2019 means alone \u2013 ie endless peace negotiations involving TNA with the Sri Lankan state and with some international mediator playing a role at times. Support for this approach has emerged particularly from those sections of the Diaspora whose sole aim was to oppose the LTTE at the expense of defending the people. Considering themselves \u2018intellectuals\u2019, they always had a two-sided approach to opposing the LTTE. One is the atrocious treatment of Tamil-speaking Muslims by the LTTE, and the second is the caste question.<\/p>\n<p>Anyone who desires to pass as an \u2018intellectual\u2019 or an artist in the Tamil circles needs to pass this litmus test. Condemnation of the mistakes of the LTTE is not enough, for those who argue for an end to all forms of mass struggle. Some of these \u2018progressive\u2019 badge-holders even thanked Rajapaksa for \u2018finishing the war\u2019. The Sri Lankan government also exploited this in many ways \u2013 particularly in their propaganda outside Sri Lanka. Ex-minister Dayan Jayatilleka, for example, has written and spoken on behalf of the Sri Lankan government \u2013and used similar arguments (caste and Muslim) to attack the \u2018Tamil nationalist\u2019 support base and in turn to justify the brutal war.<\/p>\n<p>The Sri Lankan authorities constantly asked why the Tamil Diaspora is only talking about camps in the North \u2013 what about the refugee camps in the East where the Muslims, expelled by the LTTE, are still held, etc. The Sri Lankan regime representatives gave a lengthy account of this when I defeated them in a debate in the European parliament over the GSP+ preferential tariff benefits to Sri Lanka. But they refused to acknowledge that serious activists were demanding a complete end to the atrocities being committed by the regime \u2013 no matter what population it was against.<\/p>\n<p>The small Tamil \u2018anti LTTE\u2019 Diaspora groups are now facing another complex situation. Unfortunately for them, the Sri Lankan regime has now presented itself clearly as the enemy of all Muslims, following the systematic attacks carried out against the Tamil-speaking Muslim population in Sri Lanka. It is clear, even more so now, that this regime is no friend to any minorities or oppressed sections of society; whether it is oppressed caste, or Muslims. The government\u2019s tactics, learned from British Imperialism, of divide and rule stand exposed. The regime\u2019s crocodile tears of speaking out for Muslims and Diaspora the anti-LTTE groups\u2019 attempt to advance a particular interest are all exposed.<\/p>\n<p>This has caused division among the Tamil artists. Regardless to say, those who have carried out vicious anti-LTTE propaganda due to personal reasons still carry on.\u00a0 They seek to influence and prey on anyone who emerges as a \u2018thinking person\u2019 \u2013 or who wants to be \u2018progressive\u2019. They pounce on the most \u2018conservative\u2019 elements of right-wing nationalism and use it to paint all those who are against the Sri Lankan state. On the contrary, various different currents and colours exist among the \u2018nationalists\u2019, non-nationalists, and socialists who are vehemently opposed to the current Sri Lankan regime.<\/p>\n<p>This is true among the new generation of young activists too. A majority of the youth have, however, rejected the idea that they will have to denounce everything about the past struggle and build anew. They are open to understanding and correcting the mistakes of the past, but not forgetting it. What direction this will take is not yet clear. There is certainly a push in the leftward direction and a rising left nationalism is notable. In Tamil Nadu the impact is very clear. Many young people are turning towards this or that form of Left Tamil nationalism. A significant section of the TN population is from an oppressed caste background. None of the caste-based political organisations oppose this, instead the Dalit organisations and other organisations based on the oppressed caste criticise vehemently the current Sri Lanka regime. The Buddha Art Forum is among them. And it is from this situation that the P-VOF has come to be.<\/p>\n<p>Since its formation, the P-VOF has expanded its political participation. It has played at a protest against the multinational corporation Vedanta and was enthusiastically welcomed by the organisers. P-VOF members have played at a protest against the killings in Gaza. They are playing in the streets against multinationals such as Tata, Lyca, etc. They also plan to continue to play the Parai at weddings and in the most unconventional places. As far as I understand they are in regular touch with Buddha Art Forum, and get Parai, training and advice from them. Joint activity of these two groups in London cannot be ruled out. But it is inevitable that they will run into attacks. They expected, of course, that the attack would mainly come from the elite and the oppressive sections of the community.<\/p>\n<p>But when they played at the Mullivaikal event \u2013 a remembrance of the massacre that ended in May 2009 \u2013 some of the so-called \u2018progressive\u2019 sections decisively turned against them. This was expressed in a comment made by another young capable man Sinthujan Varatharajah. He saw this as simply a promotion of Tamil culture minus caste. He argued that Tamil culture is a caste culture and wrongly assumed that they may try to \u2018de-link\u2019 the Parai from caste violence. He further argued that: \u201cIf an upper caste person plays the Parai, it\u2019s an act of appropriation no different to the appropriation of, for instance, Hip Hop by white people\u201d. While busy trying to be clever, he ignored the historical background and paid no attention to the situation that is currently emerging.<\/p>\n<p>We pointed out that the lecture Sinthujan gave to other youth is \u2018ill informed\u2019 to start with, lacking basic historical understanding. Activists who try to build a fightback often have to deal with such unfounded criticism from \u2018keyboard warriors\u2019. Sinthujan however hit back with a second lecture, this time on \u2018what is culture\u2019, and he explicitly spelled out the key reason for his opposition. \u201cThe Parai drum was recently taken up by mostly upper and medium caste Diaspora Tamil activists to rally for the Eelam Tamil cause.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Since he was responding to a socialist, Sinthujan did not hold back from attacking the left in general and attempting to ridicule the activism. His response was full of personal attacks \u2013 including framing it as \u201cvellalarwash\u201d \u2013 eventually endorsing the attack that it\u2019s a \u201chigh caste, high class criticism\u201d supposedly against Dalits. This is typical of those who use some \u2018anti-caste\u2019 rhetoric, but in effect do nothing to fight back against this rotten capitalist system that allows caste oppression to continue. Or they actually do things that, if indirectly, nonetheless maintain the status quo. When their understanding and wrong tactics are questioned their immediate reaction is always an emotional cry and gross dismissal of any response as \u2018upper caste\u2019 argument.<\/p>\n<p>Leave aside this and other character-assassinating attempts \u2013 we will have to address a few theoretical points here.<\/p>\n<h1>Race, class, caste and culture<\/h1>\n<p>Having \u201cdefined\u201d Tamil culture as caste culture, Sinthujan then accused me of understanding Tamil culture as being \u201csingle-fold\u201d and called it \u201cviolence\u201d and \u201coutright ignorance\u201d. Nowhere have I argued that or defined Tamil culture or any culture for that matter. However breathtakingly hysterical and hypocritical his arguments may be, I will have to repeat one sentence back to him in agreement. \u201cThere is no single Tamil culture \u2013 and there never was\u201d. We have no interest in \u2018defining\u2019 what culture is or to navigate through the definitions and silly phrases of post-modern academia.<\/p>\n<p>As with many other phrases, use of this term, \u2018Tamil culture\u2019 in general represents a certain historical evolution of a group with various features. Tamil culture is diverse, as is any other \u2018culture\u2019 on the planet. Culture generally reflects the social relations of a particular period which in turn are closely linked to the mode of production that dominate in that particular era. This means culture \u2013 or features of culture \u2013 is constantly changing and is dominated by those in control of the means of production.\u00a0 One of the leaders of the Russian Revolution VI Lenin once pointed out that within every nation there are two nations \u2013 one the oppressing capitalists, the other the oppressed masses.<\/p>\n<p>The oppressed masses however do not automatically surrender their rights and their learned way of life. But the fightback that emerges defines a new set of relations. This is a vital and most powerful aspect of all society. And this power \u2013 the fightback \u2013 is what finally ends the domination of social relations dictated from the top by the oppressors.<\/p>\n<p>Culture doesn\u2019t exist in blocks \u2013 purified clear divisions don\u2019t exist. This is why when we say English culture, we don\u2019t simply point to Tory culture. What an insult that would be to the English working class. Similarly the racist EDL\u2019s idea that they can uphold the purity of \u2018English culture\u2019 is not possible without the capitalists giving the idea credence by divisive language and policies. However, suffering working people can join racist organisations at times when they feel their rights are under threat and when an alternative struggle model isn\u2019t on offer. Then, what strategy can be developed to fight back against the racism of the EDL?<\/p>\n<p>We must first acknowledge what creates the fertile ground for racist ideas to take root \u2013 ie the link between the capitalists\u2019 attacks on ordinary people\u2019s living conditions and the emergence of racist organisations. Name-calling the English working class as \u2018racist\u2019 will not in any way help to combat the EDL. But organisations and the instruments of the capitalist class \u2013 the very forces that are responsible for the deterioration of conditions will lend their lips to the rhetoric of \u2018anti-racism\u2019. The reality is that racism cannot be combated in alliance with them \u2013 revolutionary forces realise this and put forward a strategy of organisations of oppressed workers and activists to come together independent of the oppressing forces.<\/p>\n<p>Note here that the EDL propagating racist ideas today is different to that of classical \u2018fascist\u2019 organisations in that they make all attempts to hide behind the social prejudice of today \u2013 and the difficulties that working people face. Racism today is different from the racism that existed at the time of early capitalism. Similarly race discrimination (if I can call it that \u2013 as this term is more closely associated with modern racism) during the feudal times is different from the more brutal early capitalist period.<\/p>\n<p>The caste system that exists in the Indian continent differs from racism, although there are a number of lessons we can take from anti-racist movements. Tamils and many other ethnic groups have lived in the Indian continent for thousands of years (Out of Eden by Stephen Oppenheimer and Guns, Germs, and Steel by Jared Diamond are two good books that give some insight into civilisations and human movements across the world).<\/p>\n<p>Although there existed distinct groups \u2013 and you can say they had different cultures \u2013 they also shared a number of things. When a more effective and efficient mode of production emerged it generally cut across culture and other divides \u2013 and spread. Caste is not a special type of mode of production, though it is in a way linked to the division of labour at its origin. But the caste system also went through and withstood various changes in society.<\/p>\n<p>The caste system as we know now is not the same structural system that existed at its origin or the one that existed before the Hindu revival. Everyone would agree that the Hindu religion should not be ignored as a main factor that held the caste system rigidly (the domination of the Hindu religion in south Asia meant that caste based discrimination continued among other religions too). But research indicates that many ethnic groups (including Tamils) existed before the emergence of the Aryan version of Hinduism. The term Aryan\/Dravidian is never used accurately \u2013 here it is used this way just to indicate the civilisation generally linked to the arrival of a new group of people. Though there is no conclusive evidence, it\u2019s generally believed that Tamils\u2019 ethnic group lived even before the Hindu civilisation. (Of course with different social structures \u2013 some may even have had similarity to caste divisions that emerged later). There were periods when Majority Tamils converted to the Samana religion \u2013 a version of Buddhism. Dalit groups in Tamil Nadu take pride in this old \u2018Tamil culture\u2019.<\/p>\n<p>There is no way to pinpoint the exact time and date of the origin of a culture or the origin of caste. Academics can debate this to their death. But unless a miracle takes place where everything is revealed like in a movie there is no way of knowing the exact origin and details of changes. Hence decisive conclusions are not possible. We can only look at the processes in history and try to understand its motions and the various forces acting on it. I do not agree that the caste system emerged from Tamils then spread across the Indian continent. We would argue that the caste system does not belong to any particular group or culture. Social structures are not created by ethnicity but by the mode of production into which they enter. Arguing that Tamils created the caste system is similar to that the English created capitalism. Culture is shared, ie an attack on any particular culture is an attack on all including those oppressed.<\/p>\n<p>There are a number of Dalits in Tamil Nadu who see themselves as part of Tamil history ie culture. We cannot also argue that every single \u2018culture\u2019 in India is caste culture and needs to be opposed. We cannot also pick and choose and say some cultures are caste cultures. Caste discrimination has omnipresence across cultures across south Asia (and among the south Asian Diaspora). No one particular culture harbours it. Instead we would argue that it\u2019s maintained by those who are in control of the mode of production \u2013 capitalist mode of production \u2013 and who benefit from it. Of course it\u2019s the capitalists who dominate all cultures in India. We should celebrate the culture of resistance \u2013 which of course will bring to the fore the symbols, food, music, other arts and aspects of the oppressed masses\u2019 \u2018culture\u2019. Attacking culture to achieve emancipation from caste oppression is based on a utopian dream that somehow cultural domination of the oppressed can be fought without really appropriating the control the oppressors have on our resources. Furthermore, the argument that to fight the caste system, Tamil or any \u2018culture\u2019 needs to be fought is a completely ridiculous strategy. This is likely to have the opposite effect, pushing those who would fight oppression to defend their culture and with that their own oppressors.<\/p>\n<p>Take Modi, the current Hindutva prime minister of India \u2013 if he goes on the offensive against Tamil culture, will Sinthujan advise a tactical manoeuvre in support of Modi? This is not an abstract question, but a political one.<\/p>\n<p>The political aspect is what concerns us more than abstract academic debates. What is the political consequence of this line of argument? The anti-LTTE section of the Tamil Diaspora still maintains their characterisation of the LTTE as \u201cfascist\u201d. Regardless of the specific definition, what is important is a political consequence. Does using this terminology make the massacre justified \u2013 was the war about \u201ckilling the fascists\u201d and the rest of the tens of thousands of deaths are \u2018collateral damage\u2019?<\/p>\n<p>A generalised attack on an entire people is a dangerous approach to take. Former British Prime Minister Tony Blair and his ilk refused to connect the poverty, unemployment and social conditions (that they bore responsibility for) to the crime rate in places where black people live. Instead Blair blamed crime on a \u201cdistinctive black culture\u201d. The current Prime Minister David Cameron follows this line. Labour MP David Lammy used his background as \u201cgrowing up a black boy and subjected to racism\u201d to try to nail the argument that the riots in 2011 were linked to black rap culture \u2013 which was quickly capitalised by a most right-wing nutty professor to theorise how it also affects white boys. The lesson then, in his eyes, is to emancipate the whites from the black culture and of course the blacks themselves if they are up to it. But these people are not inherently \u201cthieves and criminals\u201d as capitalist politicians and their intellectual spokespeople would have it, don\u2019t have an \u201cinner criminality\u201d. Rather the conditions that they are forced to live in breed anger, frustration, disappointment and there is an absence of a clear channel to use that in an organised and coherent fightback. Nonetheless the positive slogan of fighting for \u201cjobs, homes and services\u201d struck a chord and had the potential to unite all the serious fighting elements of the oppressed communities.<\/p>\n<p>In passing we must here comment on Sinthujan\u2019s reference to the \u201cappropriation\u201d of Hip Hop. Should he be referring to white working class youth he is almost in line with the prejudice of afore mentioned historian David Starkey . Many would see Hip Hop as a form of music that originates from those who need to be heard on issues that need to be heard and were otherwise ignored. The threat to Hip Hop is not from white people per se but from capitalist exploiters in the music business regardless of skin colour.<\/p>\n<p>Real leadership is what is missing from various Dalit movements in India. The establishment of a caste-based elitism (like the race industry in Britain) has only benefited a small clan \u2013 often coming from the leadership families in each caste group. The formation of caste-based parties actually helped to exclude the anger and opposition, attempting to contain it within these political organisations \u2013 the political makeup of which is generally on the right.<\/p>\n<p>We oppose the TNA leadership, not just because they serve the rotten caste discrimination, which they do, but also for their political character. Though they seem to oppose \u2018Sinhala nationalism\u2019 they often seek allies in the capitalist UNP. This contradiction will never be understood without class analysis. The politics of the leaders of the caste-based parties is a vital issue in building any serious fightback. While providing lip service in defence of all people they in reality seek allies in the very forces that must be resisted.<\/p>\n<p>Furthermore the fightback of those suffering caste discrimination is made more complicated by the exclusive nature of \u2018identity politics\u2019. The term, identity politics, that is often used among the left in India refers to the character of caste-based organisations. These party leaders do not in any way promote the identities and culture of the oppressed. Instead they sell it for their own limited electoral gains. In effect the oppressed masses are reduced to being a mere \u2018vote bank\u2019. This phenomenon can be compared to the way so-called community leaders have been created by the so-called multiculturalism project initiated by the Labour party in Britain. In reality community leaders are unelected and unaccountable to the people they are allowed to \u2018represent\u2019 and they serve their own needs and the Labour leadership\u2019s.<\/p>\n<p>To deflect criticism right-wing Dalit leaders have become adept at using their caste identity. And of course they also \u2018sell\u2019 suffering as their own. They always try to divert the critics as an attack on the caste itself, and try to reduce the substance of the argument to a caste verses caste argument. This dismissal of discussion is not new. EV Ramasamy Periayr noted this oppressive Brahminical method. The left in India in general, faces a barrage of attacks from the right-wing caste-based leaders. Even before the left critics raise a strategy for any sort of class-based programme, their caste will be discovered and used (no matter which oppressed caste they from). From Arundhati Roy, to leading Tamil writers and activists, many faced these sorts of dismissals. This tactic is called \u2018identity politics\u2019- ie selling the identity to protect themselves from any possible opposition. But it also creates false hope among the masses that they have no other choice but to rely on these caste leaders for emancipation. This effectively creates an obstacle to the building of a class-based movement on the ground.<\/p>\n<p>However, it must be noted that the left in India is not a homogeneous block. The Communist parties there (CPI(M), CPI) traditionally ignored the caste question and continued to put forward an abstract argument that class struggle will be enough to tackle the caste question which was not enough at all for those who were at the receiving end of this monstrosity. The theoretical position that the eradication of class will start to solve most of society\u2019s problems is correct. But this should not be used to ignore the burning anger and suffering that arises from caste, gender, sexuality and other discrimination.\u00a0 This was not the case in Sri Lanka where almost all the struggles of the oppressed caste had some sort of left intervention which continues to this day.<\/p>\n<p>Yes, the reforms and rights need to be won. Every move to get additional rights and improving conditions must be grabbed. But the key question is how this can be linked to the fight against the caste system itself. This or that legislation, academic paper about the history of suffering, or the personal accounts of discrimination, though important will not challenge the very foundation of the caste system itself. A number of pieces of legislation exist to \u2018prevent\u2019 racism which we welcome. But they have done precisely nothing to challenge the core of racism. The ruling class of course will find their natural allies among the class-collaborating feudal elite in each community and in each caste. This in turn will only benefit those who want to maintain inequality and exclusiveness, for their own economic, prestige and privilege reasons.<\/p>\n<p>Those who have illusions in reforms forget that no reforms are won forever. Everything is subject to change according to the relative strength of the ruling class on one side and the struggling working and poor masses on the other. In Britain, where the so-called democratic revolution is supposed to have been completed, caste discrimination is vehemently protected by the Tories (follow the debate in the parliament about outlawing caste). We must welcome the attempt to include opposition to caste-based discrimination in the legislation in Britain. But it would be wrong to suggest this opens a direct route to the end of caste discrimination. It doesn\u2019t. That is our task as we build the fightback.<\/p>\n<p>Our writing on these issues is in contrast to that of Sinthujan who almost gave an indication that an anti-caste legislative act was formed. Our emphasis will be on the struggle that is to be conducted by the oppressed people and their organisation and the impossibility of achieving justice through a capitalist dominated parliament. (I invite all to read and compare both articles). The disgusting arguments of the Tories, and their consistent delay in passing even a meagre law will remain unexplainable for Sinthujan who chose to ignore the class aspects of the battle against caste discrimination in Britain.<\/p>\n<p>How can a real victory be won in Britain without linking it also to the class battle that we face? The Tory party cannot be lobbied (begged) into obedience on any human rights issues not to mention the caste issue. Here we would propose a strategy of united opposition of natural allies \u2013 the trade unions, struggling organisations and socialists and other activists. But we will not see any understanding of trade unions in any material that some of those crave for a \u2018progressive\u2019 stamp.<\/p>\n<p>Populist and reformist slogans can inspire hope that immediate solutions can be found and can quickly gain popularity among the suffering masses. Opportunistic defences have a certain attraction and can mobilise people. Some in Britain, for example, say that immigrant workers argue that they are doing the \u201cdirty\u201d work that British workers refuse to do. This line of argument is developed further to defend the immigrant workers against the most right-wing racism hidden Tory\/labour\/Lib Dem attacks. Among the immigrant community, at the brunt of the right-wing\u2019s attacks, this can gain traction and support. However it will be at the expense of pushing a section of British workers towards the far-right as they would claim they are for jobs \u2013regardless if they are \u201cdirty\u201d or not. Highly qualified immigrant workers and those doing supposedly \u201cdirty\u201d work did not voluntarily surrender to do the work at very low wages, but are forced into it by the system that constantly drives down wages. It will then be absolutely ridiculous if one argue that pointing out the above fact is an \u201canti-immigration\u201d argument.<\/p>\n<p>Only oppression comes from the top, not change. We must build opposition to the caste system among the ordinary people. If we are to build a serious fightback we cannot be choosy in terms of which oppression we fight against. There can be no exclusivity about who can fight. Every fight against every oppression must be linked together, and it should galvanise all those who are willing to put effort in. Excluding a group of people based on caste or culture is not only wrong, but is also an incorrect political strategy.<\/p>\n<p>The crimes of the oppressors are often forced down on to the shoulders of the masses who continue to face various oppressions. The British working class, for example, should not take the blame for slavery. Instead the empire, the whole establishment, should. It is they who benefited from it. British workers played a part in opposing slavery. But this is almost never mentioned. Instead the race industry is currently serving the establishment and liberals are quick to rally behind the blame game. They do that in the hope of quick gains from being seen as the \u2018defenders of blacks\u2019 and fighters against slavery and racism \u2013 the badge they award for themselves is in no way progressive when looked at in detail.<\/p>\n<p>Those who serve the caste, class-based oppression must be opposed in any way we can. The Brahminical establishment (which often merges with class-based oppression in India) must be opposed. This does not mean that a Brahmin should not have any say in this matter. Every Brahmin should be welcome to take the fight on, without feeling guilt for their ancestors\u2019 wrong doing, and without being pushed around by liberal attacks. A real fightback can never be the exclusive right of any particular group. Everyone can be developed into a fighter, no matter what caste, class, race, colour they are from as long as they have the conviction, understanding and passion to change the world for the benefit of all. This demands sacrifice and unselfish determination.<\/p>\n<p>Without this vision every development that has a character to develop into something serious will risk being nipped in the bud. Like Sinthujan\u2019s baseless and selfish attack against the P-VOF. Paraphrasing Che Guevara, those who don\u2019t feel the pain of the masses will cease to be revolutionaries \u2013 for them their own self-pain and self-promotion will be more important than anything else.<\/p>\n<p>Developing, building, uniting and strengthening the resistance and a political strategy \u2013 these are the primary tasks for genuine and serious fighters. The basic points outlined above flow from that. It\u2019s not an intellectual exercise.<\/p>\n<p>Note 1: \u00a0Here is some early writings that can be read with above article<\/p>\n<pre>MPs refuse to outlaw caste discrimination\r\n<iframe class=\"wp-embedded-content\" title=\"\u201cMPs refuse to outlaw caste discrimination\u201d \u2014 cubebs\" src=\"http:\/\/cubebs.org\/senan\/?p=305&amp;embed=true#?secret=9Aw2brQbIU\" width=\"525\" height=\"276\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" data-secret=\"9Aw2brQbIU\" data-mce-fragment=\"1\"><\/iframe> Modi Mela \u2013 Post Election Developments -1 <iframe class=\"wp-embedded-content\" title=\"\u201cModi Mela \u2013 Post Election Developments -1\u201d \u2014 cubebs\" src=\"http:\/\/cubebs.org\/senan\/?p=395&amp;embed=true#?secret=FKW8TeRmfr\" width=\"525\" height=\"276\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" data-secret=\"FKW8TeRmfr\" data-mce-fragment=\"1\"><\/iframe> There Is Something In The Air In The North Of Sri Lanka <iframe class=\"wp-embedded-content\" title=\"\u201cThere Is Something In The Air In The North Of Sri Lanka\u201d \u2014 cubebs\" src=\"http:\/\/cubebs.org\/senan\/?p=313&amp;embed=true#?secret=q9tCk18vxJ\" width=\"525\" height=\"283\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" data-secret=\"q9tCk18vxJ\" data-mce-fragment=\"1\"><\/iframe> What caused the London riots? <iframe class=\"wp-embedded-content\" title=\"\u201cWhat caused the London riots?\u201d \u2014 cubebs\" src=\"http:\/\/cubebs.org\/senan\/?p=202&amp;embed=true#?secret=hBhgHcvjLR\" width=\"525\" height=\"320\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" data-secret=\"hBhgHcvjLR\" data-mce-fragment=\"1\"><\/iframe> Right wing media and Diane Abbott \u2018racist\u2019 comment <iframe class=\"wp-embedded-content\" title=\"\u201cRight wing media and Diane Abbott \u2018racist\u2019 comment\u201d \u2014 cubebs\" src=\"http:\/\/cubebs.org\/senan\/?p=152&amp;embed=true#?secret=9GWdJ0m6yK\" width=\"525\" height=\"285\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" data-secret=\"9GWdJ0m6yK\" data-mce-fragment=\"1\"><\/iframe> \u0b95\u0bb5\u0bb0\u0bcd\u0b9a\u0bcd\u0b9a\u0bbf \u0b85\u0bb0\u0b9a\u0bbf\u0baf\u0bb2\u0bc8\u0b95\u0bcd \u0b95\u0bb5\u0bbf\u0bb4\u0bcd\u0b95\u0bcd\u0b95\u0baa\u0bcd \u0baa\u0baf\u0bae\u0bc7\u0ba9\u0bcd? <iframe class=\"wp-embedded-content\" title=\"\u201c\u0b95\u0bb5\u0bb0\u0bcd\u0b9a\u0bcd\u0b9a\u0bbf \u0b85\u0bb0\u0b9a\u0bbf\u0baf\u0bb2\u0bc8\u0b95\u0bcd \u0b95\u0bb5\u0bbf\u0bb4\u0bcd\u0b95\u0bcd\u0b95\u0baa\u0bcd \u0baa\u0baf\u0bae\u0bc7\u0ba9\u0bcd?\u201d \u2014 Ethir\" src=\"http:\/\/ethir.org\/senan\/?p=593&amp;embed=true#?secret=KnwCCaseyg\" width=\"525\" height=\"432\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" data-secret=\"KnwCCaseyg\" data-mce-fragment=\"1\"><\/iframe> \u0b87\u0b99\u0bcd\u0b95\u0bbf\u0bb2\u0bbe\u0ba8\u0bcd\u0ba4\u0bbf\u0bb2\u0bcd \u0b9a\u0bbe\u0ba4\u0bbf\u0baf \u0b92\u0b9f\u0bc1\u0b95\u0bcd\u0b95\u0bc1\u0bae\u0bc1\u0bb1\u0bc8\u0b95\u0bcd\u0b95\u0bc6\u0ba4\u0bbf\u0bb0\u0bbe\u0ba9 \u0b8e\u0ba4\u0bbf\u0bb0\u0bcd\u0baa\u0bcd\u0baa\u0bc1 http:\/\/ethir.org\/senan\/?p=439<\/pre>\n<pre><strong>NOTE 2: On personal Attack<\/strong><\/pre>\n<div>\n<h1>Liberation at the tap of a key?<\/h1>\n<\/div>\n<h1>Maybe for the one whose career it advances<\/h1>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>What do you propose that the oppressed caste do? Get educated in Germany and England? Self-liberation \u2013 one by one? That might work appear as a strategy for some but to most it is utterly repellent. Oppressed people across Asia and in Britain certainly want comfort in life. Who doesn\u2019t? But how do you propose they get it? Or standing up and fighting in every way they can.<\/p>\n<p>Author Upton Sinclair once said: \u201cIt\u2019s difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding.\u201d Please don\u2019t allow this to apply to you.<\/p>\n<h2>On Personal attacks<\/h2>\n<p>There is a need to separate out the political arguments from mistakes of interpretation and personal remarks.<\/p>\n<p>Choosing to be born into the vellalar caste was maybe not the best way for me to organise my entry into this world. No, hold on a minute. That rotten caste tag was not my choice \u2013 but it is something that will remain with me as a dirty mark given the level of oppression and brutality unleashed by this caste on every other oppressed caste.<\/p>\n<p>For this reason I am not new to vellalar bashing \u2013 in fact I probably have developed more expertise in it than Sinthujan. About 15 years ago I believed that the vellalar caste deserved a form of collective punishment for the historical horror collectively inflicted. I even believed them unworthy to be considered capable of fighting the caste system. This was due to my own experiences witnessing revolting discrimination. In the village where I was born everyday life was beset by caste discrimination. Then life in India changed me forever \u2013 it educated me about caste and class politics.<\/p>\n<p>The strength of my opposition to this rotten system is no less now. But my position in the last 10 years has changed a lot in terms of what tactics I believe we must adopt. This is mainly due to my increasing understanding of Marxist economics, dialectics, etc. But it is also due to my experience of constant debate and discussion on this issue. (Read the recent discussion with Kalachuvadu group). The arguments of the Nirapirikai group in India, one time mentors for me, are now flawed in my eyes. In addition, I see the Dalit movement, so full of potential in its early days, now facing defeat \u2013 by the very forces the masses once hoped could lead them away from oppression.<\/p>\n<p>Yes, Sinthujan is absolutely correct to question and approach with caution any ideas and actions that spring from the vellalar caste. But he is not correct to use caste to distract from his own weak tactics and right-wing reformist stance. It is even more wrong to seek a progressive badge by using reformist Dalit politics. Then he will have all socialists as his enemies \u2013 regardless of what caste they are from.<\/p>\n<p>What is my identity? Like Socialist Alternative member Kshama Sawant, council member in Seattle, said: \u201cI wear the badge of socialist with honour.\u201d If Sinthujan or anyone wants to use that to attack me \u2013 be my guest. I welcome debate on any issues. But take care that you are aiming at me, not the Communist Parties in India or any other organisation (they are easy target of course J).<\/p>\n<p>Accusing me of being a \u201ccultural nationalist\u201d or \u201cupper class\u201d is laughable. However it is also grossly offensive and I hope you take it back.<\/p>\n<p>Marx once commented about the difficulty of expressing complex economic arguments within the limitation of the language. Language indeed is limited when it comes to expression \u2013 all artists know this. But for some it\u2019s also difficult to interpret.<\/p>\n<p>I wrote the following \u201cAny thinking person would recognise the obvious flaw \u2013 caste oppression is recent history compared to the history of Tamil culture \/ likewise caste oppression is pan-south Asian rather than just linked to Tamil culture. It isn\u2019t necessary to continue. \u201c<\/p>\n<p>Here it isn\u2019t necessary to continue \u2013 it means \u2018I don\u2019t want to carry on here with this basic argument\u2019. Please read the above again in the whole remark here (Link). Here is Sinthujan\u2019s interpretation.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cOh, hear, hear. I stopped counting how many right-wing, centrist and left-wing folks have tried to lecture me on how caste will discontinue with time. I guess similar as to how we will, if we aren\u2019t already, live in a post-racial, post-classist and post-patriarchal society, we will also, one sweet day, reach the age of a post-casteist society. Not by actively doing something, of course. No, we just need to lean back and watch it die. Because that\u2019s how we roll. \u201d<\/p>\n<p>He is on a roll on this!!! Before you write such nonsense you should have given some thought to it. Did any socialist on the planet argue oppression will just wither away? We even dare to oppose some who think that oppression can be defeated with reforms. It\u2019s offensive to a ridiculous level to falsely accuse socialists who spends most of their time campaign that we cannot win anything without a fight back. This is why we are critical of \u2018keybord warriors.<\/p>\n<p>People who always look down on others usually make these sort of mistakes. If you paid any attention at all you could have found this in the comments in my post \u201cmy early days of involvement in literature \u2013 it is full of fighting against those pretended that caste don\u2019t exist in the diaspora. We need to fight this properly \u2013 and this is my main point \u201d. Either you skipped it \u2013 or didn\u2019t bother to read \u2013 but based your rant on some imaginative writing I had done. You really do seem to be wishing to find something in me that does not exist \u2013 sorry to disappoint.<\/p>\n<p>Now how should I read this \u2013 \u201cTamil Socialist Party member\u201d? Should I understand that you are talking about a party called Tamil Socialist Party? Or should I read it as a Socialist Party member who is Tamil ? Then what is Tamil ? Did I anywhere in my reply define \u201cTamil culture\u201d? No. But it didn\u2019t stop you giving me a lecture! You had the opportunity to read the comments below my reply \u2013 where Krishna Kalaichelvan brought this up \u2013 I pointed out to him \u2013 I am not prepared to dwell into this in a FB comment. Precisely because too much needs to be explained about it. But thanks for summarising it in your remarks (I honestly thought aspiring \u2018academics\u2019 like you may have got over with such playground approach).<\/p>\n<p>I do not see your attack against the left as accidental \u2013 or even provoked by this discussion. Certain careerism requires that \u2013 attack on the left is a good brownie point.<\/p>\n<h2>Socialist activism \u2013 keyboard activism<\/h2>\n<p>Being a socialist is not the best choice for those seeking an easy life. For example, it\u2019s nothing new for us to be called names. We can find ourselves at the receiving end of attacks because we consistently stand with people who are oppressed in all sorts of ways. But one thing we don\u2019t do is substitute our mere existence for helping to build mass organisations and develop a representative and accountable leadership and a programme to broaden the struggle. That means we don\u2019t just sit and expect the masses to come.<\/p>\n<p>The Left \u2013 with various differences in their tactics and perspective -have a lot in common too: We never wait for the saviour \u2013 instead we throw ourselves into any struggles that emerges. And try to build the fightback against all forms of oppression. One thing that you cannot accuse the left of is inaction. Action and participation in struggle is ABC for us.<\/p>\n<p>But there are those who want the \u2018progressive badge\u2019 \u2013 and declare themselves as \u2018left\u2019 \u2013 and \u2018Marxist\u2019 but do nothing but the opposite of what Marx would have argued. Some even try to save Marx from Marx and the Marxists. One person I know famously declared himself as \u2018THE Trotskyist\u2019 in Tamil. But when I pointed out to him that he had got it completely wrong \u2013 and that he had actually argued the case for Stalinism and an effectively pro-war position during the 2009 war in Sri Lanka \u2013 we got no reply back. We will always come out vehemently in opposition to those who claim to be progressive but in reality argue for reactionary ideas.<\/p>\n<p>For your information I agree with you that the oppressors constantly attempt to appropriate oppressed people\u2019s identity, culture, etc. But this is a battle rather than an automated act like you imagine. This is another point you miss while you refuse to understand the essence of my argument.<\/p>\n<p>You call yourself \u2018progressive\u2019. Then you attacked the left in general and proposed divisive ideas. That\u2019s when you made an enemy of me.<\/p>\n<p>It is this kind of thing that has given the word \u2018progressive\u2019 a dirty meaning. \u00a0We will try to reclaim it. No shame in that. Capitalist politicians attempt to use \u2018left\u2019 terms and phrases in the hope of building their vote banks, and of giving a fig leaf to their neoliberal, divisive policies. Look at Tamil Nadu and Dravidian politics today. The word revolution had become almost meaningless due to the way it\u2019s been used by the capitalist exploiters. But that was changed completely when the Egyptian and Tunisian masses rose up to remove dictators and reminded the world of what a revolution could be. And yes, there is much more to be done to complete these revolutions. But it shows how language can be changed and reclaimed for truth.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>A reactionary\u2019s ability to understand a social movement is very limited \u2013they oppose any movements of fightback. I can list a number of examples. Some vehemently opposed the anti-war protests (in relation to Sri lanka). Some \u2018progressive\u2019 friends categorised it as \u2018nationalist\u2019. Unfortunately they never participated on any of these protests or talked to anyone at them. Whenever they turn up they show what they are made up of. I remember having a fight with one such person outside the Sri Lankan embassy when we organised a protest against Lasantha\u2019s killing. They argued against us \u2013 because they wanted to only condemn the death \u2013 not to raise a slogan against the Sri Lankan state as we did.<\/p>\n<p>I am absolutely proud of being socialist but will also take every identity that is oppressed. My record of writing vehemently against \u2018Tamilness\u2019 in the past stands but I did not hesitate to take that identity when the massacre took place in 2009. Meanwhile the keyboard warriors didn\u2019t even use the keyboard to oppose the war. Outrageously, but also heartlessly, they claimed they cannot say anything about a \u2018conflict between two militaries\u2019 and restricted themselves to calling for the release of the people \u2013 but that\u2019s a different discussion.<\/p>\n<p>I fear you are going in that direction. But if you are to change \u2013 ie try to be a real progressive \u2013 not to go against any oppressed for this or that reason \u2013 then I will be on your side. This is not a request for you to join a party \u2013 don\u2019t understand this in crude way \u2013 and it\u2019s not a dig at you. I really mean it. I know well the value of every single socialist fighter. If you are against the left \u2013 just say it loud. No need to take the long route.<\/p>\n<p>Lastly, I noted that you say you are not prepared to \u2018waste time\u2019 on the likes of us. But I write this anyway. Political debate on such fundamental questions is never wasted if it is entered into with a genuine wish to produce a step forward for the struggle and clarification on the issues. One of Periyar\u2019s sentences is very close to my heart. It is Brahmanical to omit and to be silent.<\/p>\n<pre><\/pre>\n<pre><\/pre>\n<pre><\/pre>\n<pre><strong>Note 3 : Previously<\/strong><\/pre>\n<div>\n<div id=\"c_base\">\n<div id=\"c_content\">\n<div id=\"pageContent\">\n<div id=\"pageInbox\">\n<div id=\"inboxControl0f\">\n<div data-link=\"class{:~tag.contentRightClass(Layout.IsFullView, Layout.ReadingPaneMode)}\">\n<div>\n<div id=\"inboxControl0fv-ReadMessageContainer\">\n<div data-link=\"class{readMessageClass: ~tag.Show}\">\n<div id=\"readMessagePartControl2954f\" data-link=\"class{:~tag.getHeaderCssClass(IsConversationPart, IsRead, IsDraft, IsTrustedSender, Items.length)}\">\n<div data-link=\"class{getClass:IsBodyExpanded}\">\n<div id=\"bodyreadMessagePartBodyControl2956f\" data-link=\"class{:~tag.cssClasses(PlainText, IsContentFiltered)}\">\n<div dir=\"ltr\">\n<div>\n<h5 data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;C&quot;}\">This is what i said 12\/August<\/h5>\n<h5 data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;C&quot;}\">I could no longer hold back from writing this. Ridiculously ill-informed Sinthujan Varatharajah at times tries to lecture others \u2013 but without any substance. He didn\u2019t have any idea of the history of the instrument called Parai or the development\/history of the fightback of those who are oppressed by caste\/class and various other means. When he equates the Tamil culture with caste culture \/ or when he claimed that an upper caste person playing the Parai is like a white person doing hip-hop\/ or when he gave a lecture about how to progress society, (\u201cstart understanding our own positionalities and the privileges or lack thereof that accompany it\u201d) \u2013 he demonstrated breath-taking ignorance.<br \/>\nAny thinking person would recognise the obvious flaw \u2013 caste oppression is recent history compared to the history of Tamil culture \/ likewise caste oppression is pan-south Asian rather than just linked to Tamil culture. It isn\u2019t necessary to continue. It could be common sense to many \u2013 but unfortunately for Sinthujan, who recently revealed himself as some sort of \u2018savvier\u2019, not for him.<br \/>\nHaving gone through numerous struggles to raise consciousness and build the fightback of the oppressed (based on caste, sex, and class), I am sickened by the defeat of the Dalit movement (which was caused by various factors, of course). But now it\u2019s defence of the Dalits\u2019 identity politics that provides some with a \u2018progressive badge\u2019 only to project their own self into the \u2013 intellectual marker, race &amp; caste industry and so on. We never see them on the streets, or shedding sweat in real battles. Am I alone in absolutely having had enough of these keyboard fighters. Is Sinthujan becoming one of them?<br \/>\nThen he will have us to deal with \u2013 those who \u2018waste\u2019 time on seriously building the organised struggle of the oppressed, and are willing to intellectually challenge all little brains that will stand in its way.<\/h5>\n<h5 data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;C&quot;}\"><em>Comments for the above post \u00a0<\/em><\/h5>\n<ul data-reactid=\".49\">\n<li data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;R8&quot;}\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470160415603:0\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470160415603:0.0\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470160415603:0.0.$right\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470160415603:0.0.$right.0\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470160415603:0.0.$right.0.$left\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470160415603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470160415603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0\"><a dir=\"ltr\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/krishnachelvan?fref=ufi\" data-hovercard=\"\/ajax\/hovercard\/hovercard.php?id=535606054&amp;extragetparams=%7B%22hc_location%22%3A%22ufi%22%7D\" data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;;&quot;}\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470160415603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.$author.0\">Krishna Kalaichelvan<\/a>\u00a0<a dir=\"ltr\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/senann\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" data-hovercard=\"\/ajax\/hovercard\/hovercard.php?id=780625602&amp;extragetparams=%7B%22hc_location%22%3A%22ufi%22%7D\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470160415603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$range0:0\">Senan<\/a>\u00a0We all are ill-informed in certain ways (see the attached picture), it is not just\u00a0<a dir=\"ltr\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/sinthujan.varatharajah\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" data-hovercard=\"\/ajax\/hovercard\/hovercard.php?id=271100432&amp;extragetparams=%7B%22hc_location%22%3A%22ufi%22%7D\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470160415603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$range1:0\">Sinthujan<\/a>. Since you have made some pompous claims, I would like to highlight few points here. 1) \u201che equates the Tamil culture with caste culture \/ or when he claimed that an upper caste person playing the Parai is like a white person doing hip-hop\u201d: First of all, I am not sure that how you are defining \u2018Tamil culture\u2019, in my understanding culture is not a static phenomenon. SV was 100% right, caste culture is central to Tamil culture, you admit it and rectify it. When these activists are taking up Parai and popularizing it in a jingoistic manner, without acknowledging the associated caste strictures (e.g. back home in temples, Parai is played outside the inner perimeter wall of the temple because the people who play the instrument are not allowed to enter the temples.) it \u201cdemonstrated breath-taking ignorance\u201d, and not Sinthujan\u2019s. 2) \u201ccaste oppression is recent history compared to the history of Tamil culture \/ likewise caste oppression is pan-south Asian rather than just linked to Tamil culture\u201d: How recent is the caste oppression in Tamil life? Just because caste is a South Asian phenomenon doesn\u2019t justify its practice in Tamil life. 3) Your pompous claim of \u201cHaving gone through numerous struggles raise consciousness and build the fightback of the oppressed\u201d was your choice, btw standing with few placards and uploading that into Instagram is not going liberate the oppressed, that doesn\u2019t mean talking and writing about these matters are your own fiefdom. Would you put\u00a0<a dir=\"ltr\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/meena.kandasamy\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" data-hovercard=\"\/ajax\/hovercard\/hovercard.php?id=699687008&amp;extragetparams=%7B%22hc_location%22%3A%22ufi%22%7D\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470160415603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$range2:0\">Meena<\/a>\u00a0also in this category of \u201ckeyboard fighters\u201d?&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470160415603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.4\">\n<div>\n<div><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net\/hphotos-xaf1\/v\/t1.0-9\/p75x225\/10401976_10152803565326055_8303724142166063951_n.jpg?oh=0154248063c9230d5df0e05ecc3685ba&amp;oe=545D7093\" alt=\"Krishna Kalaichelvan's photo.\" width=\"182\" height=\"210\" \/><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470160415603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.3\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/senann\/posts\/10154469990575603?comment_id=10154470160415603&amp;offset=0&amp;total_comments=10\" data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;N&quot;}\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470160415603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.3.$metadata:0.$timestamp-message\"><abbr title=\"Tuesday, 12 August 2014 at 11:39\" data-utime=\"1407839981\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470160415603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.3.$metadata:0.$timestamp-message.0\">12 August at 11:39<\/abbr><\/a>\u00a0\u00b7\u00a0<a title=\"Show edit history\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/senann#\" rel=\"dialog\" data-hover=\"tooltip\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470160415603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.3.$metadata:0.3:$edit-link\">Edited<\/a>\u00a0\u00b7\u00a0<a id=\"10154470160415603&quot;\" title=\"Like this comment\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/senann#\" rel=\"dialog\" data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;&gt;&quot;}\u201d data-reactid=\u201d.49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470160415603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.3.$likeToggle:0:$action:0\u2033&gt;Like&lt;\/a&gt;\u00a0\u00b7\u00a0&lt;a href=\" data-hover=\"tooltip\" data-tooltip-alignh=\"center\" data-tooltip-uri=\"\/ajax\/like\/tooltip.php?comment_fbid=10154470160415603&amp;comment_from=535606054&amp;comment_likecount=1&amp;comment_id=10154469990575603_10154470160415603&amp;cache_buster=0\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470160415603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.3.$likeCount:0:$action:0\">1<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;R7&quot;}\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470229035603:0\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470229035603:0.0\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470229035603:0.0.$left\"><a tabindex=\"-1\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/sinthujan.varatharajah?fref=ufi\" data-hovercard=\"\/ajax\/hovercard\/hovercard.php?id=271100432&amp;extragetparams=%7B%22hc_location%22%3A%22ufi%22%7D\" data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;T&quot;}\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470229035603:0.0.$left.0\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net\/hprofile-ak-xfp1\/v\/t1.0-1\/e2\/c0.0.32.32\/p32x32\/10380962_605198707492_7675062843482738449_n.jpg?oh=6bc2b0721edf3de8ec7af847d2f6e73e&amp;oe=54757D81&amp;__gda__=1416301733_560af733c9648c8a1895f4e6a721f98c\" alt=\"\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470229035603:0.0.$left.0.0\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470229035603:0.0.$right\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470229035603:0.0.$right.0\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470229035603:0.0.$right.0.$right\"><\/div>\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470229035603:0.0.$right.0.$left\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470229035603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470229035603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0\"><a id=\"js_13\" dir=\"ltr\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/sinthujan.varatharajah?fref=ufi\" data-hovercard=\"\/ajax\/hovercard\/hovercard.php?id=271100432&amp;extragetparams=%7B%22hc_location%22%3A%22ufi%22%7D\" data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;;&quot;}\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470229035603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.$author.0\">Sinthujan Varatharajah<\/a>\u00a0I guess I should feel flattered to be dedicated a personalized post, thanks. I\u2019ll reply in due time\u00a0.<\/div>\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470229035603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.3\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/senann\/posts\/10154469990575603?comment_id=10154470229035603&amp;offset=0&amp;total_comments=10\" data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;N&quot;}\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470229035603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.3.$metadata:0.$timestamp-message\">12 August at 12:16<\/a>\u00a0\u00b7\u00a0<a id=\"10154470229035603&quot;\" title=\"Like this comment\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/senann#\" rel=\"dialog\" data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;&gt;&quot;}\u201d data-reactid=\u201d.49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470229035603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.3.$likeToggle:0:$action:0\u2033&gt;Like&lt;\/a&gt;\u00a0\u00b7\u00a0&lt;a href=\" data-hover=\"tooltip\" data-tooltip-alignh=\"center\" data-tooltip-uri=\"\/ajax\/like\/tooltip.php?comment_fbid=10154470229035603&amp;comment_from=271100432&amp;comment_likecount=1&amp;comment_id=10154469990575603_10154470229035603&amp;cache_buster=0\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470229035603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.3.$likeCount:0:$action:0\">1<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;R6&quot;}\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470297335603:0\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470297335603:0.0\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470297335603:0.0.$left\"><a tabindex=\"-1\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/senann?fref=ufi\" data-hovercard=\"\/ajax\/hovercard\/hovercard.php?id=780625602&amp;extragetparams=%7B%22hc_location%22%3A%22ufi%22%7D\" data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;T&quot;}\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470297335603:0.0.$left.0\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net\/hprofile-ak-xpa1\/t1.0-1\/e2\/p32x32\/1545138_10153746250690603_598900450_n.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470297335603:0.0.$left.0.0\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470297335603:0.0.$right\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470297335603:0.0.$right.0\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470297335603:0.0.$right.0.$right\"><\/div>\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470297335603:0.0.$right.0.$left\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470297335603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470297335603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0\"><a id=\"js_11\" dir=\"ltr\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/senann?fref=ufi\" data-hovercard=\"\/ajax\/hovercard\/hovercard.php?id=780625602&amp;extragetparams=%7B%22hc_location%22%3A%22ufi%22%7D\" data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;;&quot;}\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470297335603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.$author.0\">Tu Senan<\/a>\u00a0Dear\u00a0<a dir=\"ltr\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/krishnachelvan\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" data-hovercard=\"\/ajax\/hovercard\/hovercard.php?id=535606054&amp;extragetparams=%7B%22hc_location%22%3A%22ufi%22%7D\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470297335603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$range0:0\">Krishna Kalaichelvan<\/a><br data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470297335603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$1:0\" \/>I responded to your \u2018Concerns\u2019 before under the very same post you refer here. You can also read about the historical background in my book. Mangayarkarasi and Amirthalingam \u2018s cate politics is recorded in many books (not just mine). Pushparanis book is one of them. Please read them. Please read also carefully what I say \u2013 I said-\u201cremember\u201d. I am not stupid enough to say this is exactly she treated Pirabakaran- she is also not stupid enough to do that. Please don\u2019t change what is been said. You will not find an iota of sympathy from me for those caste Hindus- then and now.\u00a0<br data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470297335603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$3:0\" \/>But the above comment is different- not sure you read Sinthujan earlier comments. He did not use the word \u2018central to Tamil culture\u2019. I am criticising here even the word \u2018conflates\u2019: use of word \u2018central\u2019 even worse. Like slavery is not central to \u2018white\u2019 culture, caste is not central to any culture. Yes this of course demands a definition for what is culture. But I did not intend to give any \u2018lecture\u2019 on a small facebook note- but you are \u2018informed enough\u2019 to know that Marxist never talk about \u2018static\u2019 \u2013instead we try to look at thinks in motion. So is caste question. It\u2019s one \u2018aspect\u2019 which developed \u2018recently\u2019 (in comparison to history of human being and their various cultures. Recently does not mean its developed in your life time of course . In this respect you share the same ignorance with Sinthujan). There are number of socio\/economic\/political reason behind this \u2013 which we can talk about\/ research about\/ debate about. What is pointed out here is very simple \u2013 (hence very annoying to deal with) \u2013 caste is not central to any culture. If you accept Tamil culture is caste culture (even if you argue that it grown to be like that) \u2013 then obviously you will have to fight the Tamil culture to get rid of caste system among Tamils. Then what? go ask the Pakistanis to get rid of Tamil culture as well \u2013 so that they can emancipate themselves from caste oppression? Second point also very simple. No one (including voice of freedom group) denied Parai association with caste oppression ( and fight back that you miss). But to oppose the use of it and claim to create barriers or exclusiveness is wrong \u2013 condemn if it used to oppress \u2013 welcome if raised as a symbol of struggle. Nothing comes in a package \u2013 voice of freedom may have long way to go in terms of their development. I am not arguing here that Sinthujan has no right to be critical \u2013 but when anything of this sort happens I will expect those interested in building fighting back to come out with putting forward a positive views (critical and not critical + way forward). Instead I see an attack \u2013 bit below the belt (hence very much annoyed).\u00a0<br data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470297335603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$5:0\" \/>Third point is important \u2013 but one that hits your soul too ah. No reason to bring Meena into this. But as far as I know she does quite a lot of work. I am also a writer as you know and I am not opposing anyone \u2018writing\u2019. But my irritation is aimed at those who are not \u2018prepared to fight back\u2019 \u2013or build anything on the ground. But happy to take the \u2018progressive badge\u2019. (I vehemently oppose those trying to make hay while the \u2018identity politics\u2019 shines). I have no shame in boasting about \u2018doing thinks\u2019. I know numerous activists who make enormous sacrifices \u2013 I am with them. You should try out holding placard \u2013 not just a good political activity but also good exercise (If you doubt me ask those who done it at the last gaza demo). The moment Sinthujan takes to the street to build the fight back against caste oppression, he will be my best buddy<\/div>\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470297335603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.3\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/senann\/posts\/10154469990575603?comment_id=10154470297335603&amp;offset=0&amp;total_comments=10\" data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;N&quot;}\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470297335603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.3.$metadata:0.$timestamp-message\">12 August at 12:52<\/a>\u00a0\u00b7\u00a0<a title=\"Like this comment\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/senann#\" rel=\"dialog\" data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;&gt;&quot;}\u201d data-reactid=\u201d.49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470297335603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.3.$likeToggle:0:$action:0\u2033&gt;Like&lt;\/a&gt;\u00a0\u00b7\u00a0&lt;a id=\" data-hover=\"tooltip\" data-tooltip-alignh=\"center\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470297335603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.3.$likeCount:0:$action:0\">2<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;R5&quot;}\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470301980603:0\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470301980603:0.0\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470301980603:0.0.$left\"><a tabindex=\"-1\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/jonas.chocomango?fref=ufi\" data-hovercard=\"\/ajax\/hovercard\/hovercard.php?id=740734595&amp;extragetparams=%7B%22hc_location%22%3A%22ufi%22%7D\" data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;T&quot;}\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470301980603:0.0.$left.0\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net\/hprofile-ak-xap1\/t1.0-1\/e2\/p32x32\/10456775_10152489839209596_3757721249152008884_n.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470301980603:0.0.$left.0.0\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470301980603:0.0.$right\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470301980603:0.0.$right.0\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470301980603:0.0.$right.0.$right\"><\/div>\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470301980603:0.0.$right.0.$left\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470301980603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470301980603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0\"><a id=\"js_15\" dir=\"ltr\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/jonas.chocomango?fref=ufi\" data-hovercard=\"\/ajax\/hovercard\/hovercard.php?id=740734595&amp;extragetparams=%7B%22hc_location%22%3A%22ufi%22%7D\" data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;;&quot;}\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470301980603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.$author.0\">Jonas Pulendrarasa<\/a>\u00a0Tu Senan In the academic literature you will find what Sinthujan is saying. the metaphor with hip hop is maybe a bit exaggerated but remind us that those who hold power can tomorrow change the discourse on one item\/object that was rejected and appropriate it without taking the discourse and the history of that item\/object. The consequence of it is to alienate the oppressed from their histories and discourses.\u00a0<br data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470301980603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$1:0\" \/><br data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470301980603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$3:0\" \/>With this in mind, we cannot separate the social and economical system in our mother lands with the social and economical system we intentionally\/unintentionally have put in place in the diaspora. We have to admit that caste play a role in our life knowingly\/unknowingly. These systems have to be faced to achieve another society not based on birth\/blood and religious consciousness but on a human equality and merits.<br data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470301980603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$5:0\" \/><br data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470301980603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$7:0\" \/>The Parai and other instruments that are classified by caste is a non sense to our history. How can an instrument be classified to be played by a certain people and not by others. We can see a clear agenda for many centuries to erase and oppress Tamil traditional arts and knowledge and rewriting and promoting a fine and classified arts mixed with Sanskrit.<br data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470301980603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$9:0\" \/><br data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470301980603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$11:0\" \/>Those who play Parai in the diaspora are formidable and describe the will to transcend the caste issue to rehabilitate the Parai and Tamil traditional arts and knowledge but it is a long way to go.<br data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470301980603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$13:0\" \/><br data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470301980603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$15:0\" \/>This doesn\u2019t mean that for a scholar there will be no class\/caste issues within the group or with the interaction of the group with others. However you should remember that he is a phd student and his view is an academic view. He and others will try to see\/understand the dynamics of this initiative and others initiatives which enters their fields\/expertises.<br data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470301980603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$17:0\" \/><br data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470301980603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$19:0\" \/>For example : Even if the people who play are not based on caste some people outside the group may think they are and adjust their behavior according to it. By playing the parai, we can see\/experience the old caste thinking that exist among some people. The parai, in a community where caste behavior is invisible, will\/would make it visible by their reaction, behavior, etc\u2026<\/div>\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470301980603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.3\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/senann\/posts\/10154469990575603?comment_id=10154470301980603&amp;offset=0&amp;total_comments=10\" data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;N&quot;}\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470301980603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.3.$metadata:0.$timestamp-message\"><abbr title=\"Tuesday, 12 August 2014 at 13:34\" data-utime=\"1407846870\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470301980603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.3.$metadata:0.$timestamp-message.0\">12 August at 13:34<\/abbr><\/a>\u00a0\u00b7\u00a0<a title=\"Show edit history\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/senann#\" rel=\"dialog\" data-hover=\"tooltip\" 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Among the most surprising findi\u2026<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470408515603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.3\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/senann\/posts\/10154469990575603?comment_id=10154470408515603&amp;offset=0&amp;total_comments=10\" data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;N&quot;}\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470408515603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.3.$metadata:0.$timestamp-message\">12 August at 13:42<\/a>\u00a0\u00b7\u00a0<a title=\"Like this comment\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/senann#\" data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;&gt;&quot;}\u201d data-reactid=\u201d.49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470408515603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.3.$likeToggle:0:$action:0\u2033&gt;Like&lt;\/a&gt;\u00a0\u00b7\u00a0&lt;a href=\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470408515603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.3.$removePreview:0:$action:0\">Remove Preview<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;R3&quot;}\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470418645603:0\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470418645603:0.0\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470418645603:0.0.$left\"><a tabindex=\"-1\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/shivan.ravi.7?fref=ufi\" data-hovercard=\"\/ajax\/hovercard\/hovercard.php?id=783135272&amp;extragetparams=%7B%22hc_location%22%3A%22ufi%22%7D\" data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;T&quot;}\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470418645603:0.0.$left.0\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net\/hprofile-ak-xpa1\/t1.0-1\/e2\/c0.0.32.32\/p32x32\/10437791_10154327534750273_8562282196179150774_n.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470418645603:0.0.$left.0.0\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470418645603:0.0.$right\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470418645603:0.0.$right.0\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470418645603:0.0.$right.0.$right\"><\/div>\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470418645603:0.0.$right.0.$left\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470418645603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470418645603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0\"><a dir=\"ltr\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/shivan.ravi.7?fref=ufi\" data-hovercard=\"\/ajax\/hovercard\/hovercard.php?id=783135272&amp;extragetparams=%7B%22hc_location%22%3A%22ufi%22%7D\" data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;;&quot;}\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470418645603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.$author.0\">Shivan Ravichandran<\/a>\u00a0Sorry for the intrusion on your personal profile. A mutual friend shared this. Wasn\u2019t his comments about how upper caste individuals embrace the parai drum but don\u2019t respect the lower caste drummer or acknowledge its lower caste origins or something along those lines. I could be wrong since I don\u2019t follow his post, it was just a quote someone shared I saw. I did not read any article if he wrote one.\u00a0<br data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470418645603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$1:0\" \/><br data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470418645603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$3:0\" \/>Anyway, the point of my post: caste oppression is as old as Tamil culture. Its not a recent problem. Its been going on for thousands of years.<\/div>\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470418645603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.3\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/senann\/posts\/10154469990575603?comment_id=10154470418645603&amp;offset=0&amp;total_comments=10\" data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;N&quot;}\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470418645603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.3.$metadata:0.$timestamp-message\">12 August at 13:47<\/a>\u00a0\u00b7\u00a0<a id=\"10154470418645603&quot;\" title=\"Like this comment\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/senann#\" rel=\"dialog\" data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;&gt;&quot;}\u201d data-reactid=\u201d.49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470418645603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.3.$likeToggle:0:$action:0\u2033&gt;Like&lt;\/a&gt;\u00a0\u00b7\u00a0&lt;a href=\" data-hover=\"tooltip\" data-tooltip-alignh=\"center\" 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href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/jonas.chocomango?fref=ufi\" data-hovercard=\"\/ajax\/hovercard\/hovercard.php?id=740734595&amp;extragetparams=%7B%22hc_location%22%3A%22ufi%22%7D\" data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;;&quot;}\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470444990603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.$author.0\">Jonas Pulendrarasa<\/a>\u00a0@sivaram taraki What do you want to say ?<\/div>\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470444990603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.3\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/senann\/posts\/10154469990575603?comment_id=10154470444990603&amp;offset=0&amp;total_comments=10\" data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;N&quot;}\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470444990603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.3.$metadata:0.$timestamp-message\">12 August at 13:56<\/a>\u00a0\u00b7\u00a0<a id=\"10154470444990603&quot;\" title=\"Like this comment\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/senann#\" rel=\"dialog\" 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href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/selvenv1?fref=ufi\" data-hovercard=\"\/ajax\/hovercard\/hovercard.php?id=670430365&amp;extragetparams=%7B%22hc_location%22%3A%22ufi%22%7D\" data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;T&quot;}\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470542450603:0.0.$left.0\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net\/hprofile-ak-xaf1\/t1.0-1\/e2\/c129.28.346.346\/s32x32\/3179_168450200365_1322244_n.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470542450603:0.0.$left.0.0\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470542450603:0.0.$right\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470542450603:0.0.$right.0\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470542450603:0.0.$right.0.$right\"><\/div>\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470542450603:0.0.$right.0.$left\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470542450603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470542450603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0\"><a dir=\"ltr\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/selvenv1?fref=ufi\" data-hovercard=\"\/ajax\/hovercard\/hovercard.php?id=670430365&amp;extragetparams=%7B%22hc_location%22%3A%22ufi%22%7D\" data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;;&quot;}\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470542450603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.$author.0\">Selven Vu<\/a>\u00a0@French, the real Sivaram looked like an Australoidus\/Veddah (<a dir=\"ltr\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/sampillai\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" data-hovercard=\"\/ajax\/hovercard\/hovercard.php?id=508264762&amp;extragetparams=%7B%22hc_location%22%3A%22ufi%22%7D\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470542450603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$range0:0\">Sam Thampapillai<\/a>). This FB Sivaram looks like an Aryan Pakistani (<a dir=\"ltr\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/unklejak\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" data-hovercard=\"\/ajax\/hovercard\/hovercard.php?id=222400018&amp;extragetparams=%7B%22hc_location%22%3A%22ufi%22%7D\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470542450603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.$range1:0\">Unkle Jak<\/a>).<\/div>\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470542450603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.3\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/senann\/posts\/10154469990575603?comment_id=10154470542450603&amp;offset=0&amp;total_comments=10\" data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;N&quot;}\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470542450603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.3.$metadata:0.$timestamp-message\">12 August at 14:32<\/a>\u00a0\u00b7\u00a0<a id=\"10154470542450603&quot;\" title=\"Like this comment\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/senann#\" rel=\"dialog\" data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;&gt;&quot;}\u201d data-reactid=\u201d.49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470542450603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.3.$likeToggle:0:$action:0\u2033&gt;Like&lt;\/a&gt;\u00a0\u00b7\u00a0&lt;a href=\" data-hover=\"tooltip\" data-tooltip-alignh=\"center\" data-tooltip-uri=\"\/ajax\/like\/tooltip.php?comment_fbid=10154470542450603&amp;comment_from=670430365&amp;comment_likecount=2&amp;comment_id=10154469990575603_10154470542450603&amp;cache_buster=0\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470542450603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.3.$likeCount:0:$action:0\">2<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;R0&quot;}\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470625010603:0\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470625010603:0.0\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470625010603:0.0.$left\"><a tabindex=\"-1\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/maha.ramakrishnan?fref=ufi\" data-hovercard=\"\/ajax\/hovercard\/hovercard.php?id=100001918682289&amp;extragetparams=%7B%22hc_location%22%3A%22ufi%22%7D\" data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;T&quot;}\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470625010603:0.0.$left.0\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net\/hprofile-ak-xpa1\/t1.0-1\/e2\/p32x32\/1601487_675708885836395_5690917413877807196_n.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470625010603:0.0.$left.0.0\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470625010603:0.0.$right\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470625010603:0.0.$right.0\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470625010603:0.0.$right.0.$right\"><\/div>\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470625010603:0.0.$right.0.$left\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470625010603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470625010603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0\"><a dir=\"ltr\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/maha.ramakrishnan?fref=ufi\" data-hovercard=\"\/ajax\/hovercard\/hovercard.php?id=100001918682289&amp;extragetparams=%7B%22hc_location%22%3A%22ufi%22%7D\" data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;;&quot;}\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470625010603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.$author.0\">Maha Ramakrishnan<\/a>\u00a0i have not read the earlier post but like to say since parai was associated only with particular lower caste, all the reason for the lower caste to encourage\/accept all Tamils to play it and not be offended unless someone was playing it to make fun of\u00a0lower caste. those who want to disassociate with those who play parai tell them to FO. tamils should also make parai as part of temple music if it its still not allowed in temples now. All the better if it is made part of all tamil traditional functions especially TE struggle functions, Let the caste related arguments of earlier generations become extinct and go with them to the graves.Perhaps casteism can stop in the diaspora if all stop talking about it . but then it continues in SL.<\/div>\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470625010603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.3\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/senann\/posts\/10154469990575603?comment_id=10154470625010603&amp;offset=0&amp;total_comments=10\" data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;N&quot;}\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470625010603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.3.$metadata:0.$timestamp-message\">12 August at 15:02<\/a>\u00a0\u00b7\u00a0<a id=\"10154470625010603&quot;\" title=\"Like this comment\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/senann#\" rel=\"dialog\" data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;&gt;&quot;}\u201d data-reactid=\u201d.49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470625010603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.3.$likeToggle:0:$action:0\u2033&gt;Like&lt;\/a&gt;\u00a0\u00b7\u00a0&lt;a href=\" data-hover=\"tooltip\" data-tooltip-alignh=\"center\" data-tooltip-uri=\"\/ajax\/like\/tooltip.php?comment_fbid=10154470625010603&amp;comment_from=100001918682289&amp;comment_likecount=3&amp;comment_id=10154469990575603_10154470625010603&amp;cache_buster=0\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470625010603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.3.$likeCount:0:$action:0\">3<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;R&quot;}\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470907195603:0\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470907195603:0.0\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470907195603:0.0.$left\"><a tabindex=\"-1\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/senann?fref=ufi\" data-hovercard=\"\/ajax\/hovercard\/hovercard.php?id=780625602&amp;extragetparams=%7B%22hc_location%22%3A%22ufi%22%7D\" data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;T&quot;}\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470907195603:0.0.$left.0\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net\/hprofile-ak-xpa1\/t1.0-1\/e2\/p32x32\/1545138_10153746250690603_598900450_n.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470907195603:0.0.$left.0.0\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470907195603:0.0.$right\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470907195603:0.0.$right.0\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470907195603:0.0.$right.0.$right\"><\/div>\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470907195603:0.0.$right.0.$left\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470907195603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0\">\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470907195603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0\"><a dir=\"ltr\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/senann?fref=ufi\" data-hovercard=\"\/ajax\/hovercard\/hovercard.php?id=780625602&amp;extragetparams=%7B%22hc_location%22%3A%22ufi%22%7D\" data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;;&quot;}\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470907195603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.$author.0\">Tu Senan<\/a>\u00a0\u00a0<a dir=\"ltr\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/jonas.chocomango\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" data-hovercard=\"\/ajax\/hovercard\/hovercard.php?id=740734595&amp;extragetparams=%7B%22hc_location%22%3A%22ufi%22%7D\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470907195603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.0.$range0:0\">Jonas Choco Mango<\/a>\u00a0Absolutely agree with you about the role caste play in the diaspora. In fact I have written quite a lot about this (in Tamil \u2013 here is one\u00a0<a dir=\"ltr\" href=\"http:\/\/ethir.org\/senan\/?p=439\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470907195603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.0.$range1:0\">http:\/\/ethir.org\/senan\/?p=439<\/a>). Kalaichelvan may or may not know my early days of involvement in literature-it is full of fighting against those pretended that caste don\u2019t exist in the diaspora. We need to fight this properly \u2013 and this is my main point. I agree with number of points you make \u2013 but don\u2019t agree that I have to over look at Sinthujan comments because he is doing a phd. No need to budge for such thinks (I am sure Sinthujan will also agree with me on this). We have every right to criticize Richard Dawkins view of society \u2013 though he is considered a \u2018superb\u2019 academic.\u00a0<br data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470907195603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.3.0.$text0:0:$1:0\" \/><br data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470907195603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.3.0.$text0:0:$3:0\" \/><a dir=\"ltr\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/sivaram.taraki\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" data-hovercard=\"\/ajax\/hovercard\/hovercard.php?id=1729433408&amp;extragetparams=%7B%22hc_location%22%3A%22ufi%22%7D\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470907195603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.3.0.$range0:0\">Sivaram Taraki<\/a><br data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470907195603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.3.0.$text1:0:$1:0\" \/>Thanks for the link. there are number of \u2018researches\u2019 emerging to justify \u2013 put it correctly \u2018purify\u2019 -the Hindu link to caste system. There is a political gain to be made from this for Indian establishment ( which is full of individuals from oppressing caste and class). I can point to number of researches \u2013 but here is a review I wrote about one good book that very well summarize this phenomenon (<a dir=\"ltr\" href=\"http:\/\/ethir.org\/senan\/?p=295\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470907195603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.3.0.$range1:0\">http:\/\/ethir.org\/senan\/?p=295<\/a>). I have not read the research pointed out in the link you provided. But noticed that Hindu in india reported it as- \u201cCaste system: an indigenous invention in South India?\u201d which supports Sinthujan argument. But from what I read so far, I dispute this \u2013 I trust historical materialist analysis and research than this sort of researches \u2013 just to point out one weakness \u2013 note that the research is done with TN samples alone and the size of the sample is small. [\u201cOne of the aims of the study was to explore whether genetic differences observed among Tamil Nadu populations could be attributed to the establishment of the Hindu Varna system approximately 2,000 years ago by Indo-Europeans from northern India. The genetic data were also interpreted in reference to the paleoclimatic, archaeological and historical evidence from this region.A total of 1,680 men from 12 tribal and 19 non-tribal (caste) Tamil Nadu populations were analyzed for markers on the paternally inherited Y-chromosome.\u201d] There are number of other Genographic researches we could point out which contradict this. Quick google pointed me to this for example<a dir=\"ltr\" href=\"http:\/\/blogs.discovermagazine.com\/gnxp\/2012\/05\/genetics-random-truths\/#.U-opHONdV8E\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470907195603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.3.0.$range2:0\">http:\/\/blogs.discovermagazine.com\/\u2026\/genetics-random\u2026\/\u2026<\/a>\u2013 . This is a cutting edge research field \u2013 various contradicting papers can be published. We should pay attention \u2013 but the point is this. caste system, if understood as part of \u2018structured society\u2019 then it was progressive at the early stage ( division of labour etc). just 300 year old capitalist system also progressive at the early stage in comparison to feudalism. But capitalism is not central to English culture. Similarly south Asian population don\u2019t have particular \u2018system\u2019 as central part of its culture. No culture in the world you can point out that just maintain particular \u2018system\u2019 unique just for them. South Asian population gone through numerous changes \u2013 now capitalism indeed is dominant part of the south Asian (economic) \u201csystem\u201d. We cannot attack a particular \u201cculture\u201d or blame particular ethnicity for the illness its maintain.\u00a0<br data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470907195603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.3.0.$text3:0:$1:0\" \/><a dir=\"ltr\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/shivan.ravi.7\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" data-hovercard=\"\/ajax\/hovercard\/hovercard.php?id=783135272&amp;extragetparams=%7B%22hc_location%22%3A%22ufi%22%7D\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470907195603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.3.0.$range3:0\">Shivan Ravichandran<\/a>Correct: if they (oppressing caste), try to appropriate goodies and leave behind the oppressed- we must oppose it. I made it clear above that I don\u2019t agree that caste oppression as we know in the last 10 century is not the same as the age old system. Caste system existed under Romans and part of Europe \u2013 one could argue.\u00a0<br data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470907195603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.3.0.$text4:0:$1:0\" \/><a dir=\"ltr\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/maha.ramakrishnan\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" data-hovercard=\"\/ajax\/hovercard\/hovercard.php?id=100001918682289&amp;extragetparams=%7B%22hc_location%22%3A%22ufi%22%7D\" data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470907195603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.3.0.$range4:0\">Maha Ramakrishnan<\/a>\u00a0<br data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470907195603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1:$comment-body.0.3.0.$end:0:$1:0\" \/>Don\u2019t prefer the term \u2018lower\u2019 caste \u2013 oppressed caste is better. What you are describing is what I am most concerned (than the intellectual exercise). Events of that sort apparently took place under LTTE in vanni \u2013under the control of Ilango ( described in a book published by Vikatan). We have to be open to embrace the emergence of such activities, though it cannot satisfy the \u2018pure\u2019 side of our intellectual brain. Breaking through established norms and punithankal are often done in a hurry \u2013may not be worked out and 100% politically correct \u2013 but they are also forms of fight back \u2013 Those who has \u2018clear\u2019 political perspective should adopt this and if possible direct\/or absorb in the ultimate fight to end all oppression \u2013caste, sex, class, national etc etc.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div data-reactid=\".49.1:3:1:$comment10154469990575603_10154470907195603:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.4\">\n<div data-ft=\"{&quot;type&quot;:10,&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;H&quot;}\">\n<div><a tabindex=\"-1\" href=\"http:\/\/l.facebook.com\/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fethir.org%2Fsenan%2F%3Fp%3D439&amp;h=qAQHijKGNAQE2zrLcJ1aHDR-sctcBEeJ1FGOx2uOByaj25g&amp;s=1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\" data-ft=\"{&quot;type&quot;:41,&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;E&quot;}\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/fbexternal-a.akamaihd.net\/safe_image.php?d=AQBkr_8QCn4ad3nA&amp;w=158&amp;h=158&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fethir.org%2Fsenan%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F05%2FIMG_3373-300x200.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/a>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div data-ft=\"{&quot;type&quot;:11,&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;C&quot;}\"><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/ethir.org\/senan\/?p=439\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\">Ethir \u00bb Blog Archive \u00bb \u0b87\u0b99\u0bcd\u0b95\u0bbf\u0bb2\u0bbe\u0ba8\u0bcd\u0ba4\u0bbf\u0bb2\u0bcd \u0b9a\u0bbe\u0ba4\u0bbf\u0baf \u0b92\u0b9f\u0bc1\u0b95\u0bcd\u0b95\u0bc1\u0bae\u0bc1\u0bb1\u0bc8\u0b95\u0bcd\u0b95\u0bc6\u0ba4\u0bbf\u0bb0\u0bbe\u0ba9 \u0b8e\u0ba4\u0bbf\u0bb0\u0bcd\u0baa\u0bcd\u0baa\u0bc1<\/a><\/strong><\/div>\n<p>ethir.org<\/p>\n<div data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;M&quot;}\">\n<div id=\"id_53f5b99f7b0645617034071\">\u0b87\u0ba8\u0bcd\u0ba4 \u0b86\u0ba3\u0bcd\u0b9f\u0bc1 (2013) \u0b8f\u0baa\u0bcd\u0baa\u0bbf\u0bb0\u0bb2\u0bcd \u0bae\u0bbe\u0ba4\u0bae\u0bcd 16\u0bae\u0bcd \u0ba4\u0bbf\u0b95\u0ba4\u0bbf \u0b9a\u0bc6\u0bb5\u0bcd\u0bb5\u0bbe\u0baf\u0bcd\u0b95\u0bcd\u0b95\u0bbf\u0bb4\u0bae\u0bc8 \u0bb5\u0bb0\u0bb2\u0bbe\u0bb1\u0bcd\u0bb1\u0bc1 \u0bae\u0bc1\u0b95\u0bcd\u0b95\u0bbf\u0baf\u0ba4\u0bcd\u0ba4\u0bc1\u0bb5\u0bae\u0bcd \u0ba8\u0bbf\u0bb1\u0bc8\u0ba8\u0bcd\u0ba4 \u0ba8\u0bbe\u0bb3\u0bbe\u0b95 \u0bae\u0bbe\u0bb1\u0bbf\u0baf\u0bbf\u0bb0\u0bc1\u0b95\u0bcd\u0b95\u0bb5\u0bc7\u0ba3\u0bcd\u0b9f\u0bbf\u0baf \u0ba8\u0bbe\u0bb3\u0bcd. \u0b85\u0ba9\u0bcd\u0bb1\u0bc1 \u0b86\u0baf\u0bbf\u0bb0\u0b95\u0bcd\u0b95\u0ba3\u0b95\u0bcd\u0b95\u0bbf\u0bb1\u0bcd\u0b95\u0bc1 \u0bae\u0bc7\u0bb1\u0bcd\u0baa\u0b9f\u0bcd\u0b9f \u0ba4\u0bb2\u0bbf\u0ba4\u0bcd\u0ba4\u0bc1\u0b95\u0bb3\u0bcd \u0b87\u0b99\u0bcd\u0b95\u0bbf\u0bb2\u0bbe\u0ba8\u0bcd\u0ba4\u0bc1\u0baa\u0bcd \u0baa\u0bbe\u0bb0\u0bbe\u0bb3\u0bc1\u0bae\u0ba9\u0bcd\u0bb1\u0bae\u0bcd \u0bae\u0bc1\u0ba9\u0bcd \u0b95\u0bc2\u0b9f\u0bbf \u0ba8\u0bbf\u0ba9\u0bcd\u0bb1\u0bbf\u0bb0\u0bc1\u0ba8\u0bcd\u0ba4\u0ba9\u0bb0\u0bcd. \u0ba8\u0bbe\u0bae\u0bcd \u0ba4\u0bc0\u0ba3\u0bcd\u0b9f\u0ba4\u0bcd \u0ba4\u0b95\u0bbe\u0ba4\u0bb5\u0bb0\u0bcd\u0b95\u0bb3\u0bcd \u0b87\u0bb2\u0bcd\u0bb2\u0bc8. \u0b89\u0b9f\u0ba9\u0b9f\u0bbf\u0baf\u0bbe\u0b95 \u0b9a\u0bbe\u0ba4\u0bbf\u0baf \u0b92\u0b9f\u0bc1\u0b95\u0bcd\u0b95\u0bc1\u0bae\u0bc1\u0bb1\u0bc8\u0baf\u0bc8 \u0b9a\u0b9f\u0bcd\u0b9f\u0ba4\u0bcd\u0ba4\u0bc1\u0b95\u0bcd\u0b95\u0bc1 \u0baa\u0bc1\u0bb1\u0bae\u0bcd\u0baa\u0bbe\u0ba9\u2026<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h5 data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;C&quot;}\"><\/h5>\n<h5 data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;C&quot;}\"><\/h5>\n<h5 data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;C&quot;}\"><a id=\"ecxjs_40\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/sinthujan.varatharajah?hc_location=timeline\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" data-hovercard=\"\/ajax\/hovercard\/user.php?id=271100432&amp;extragetparams=%7B%22hc_location%22%3A%22timeline%22%7D\">Sinthujan Varatharajah<\/a><\/h5>\n<div><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/sinthujan.varatharajah\/posts\/606644839432\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">13 August<\/a>\u00a0near\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/pages\/Bayreuth-Germany\/106332342737801?ref=stream\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Bayreuth, Germany<\/a>\u00a0\u00b7<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div id=\"ecxid_53f3493ff14795589763421\"><a id=\"ecxjs_38\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/senann\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" data-hovercard=\"\/ajax\/hovercard\/user.php?id=780625602\">Tu Senan<\/a>, a Tamil Socialist Party member and leftist activists, yesterday felt the need to write a rather bewildering, dumbfounding yet entertaining reply to comments made by me upon the appropriation of Dalit and lower caste cultures by the upper castes. Since he took his precious time off the streets (fighting the battle for all the oppressed \u2013 thanks) to write such a lengthy and \u2018creative\u2019 response, I thought I should dedicate him, and with him all cultural nationalists or club of cultural appreciation, an adequate reply.The example brought up by me, the Parai drum which was recently taken up by mostly upper and medium caste diasporan Tamil activists (since the term is used so generously these days for anyone and anything, let\u2019s also use it in this context) to rally for the Eelam Tamil cause, led to a range of passionate responses: from strong agreement to fierce disagreement. Senan belongs, as his passive-aggressive post shows, to the latter probably, and unsurprisingly, larger group. For context reasons, please find his comments posted on his wall (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/senann\/posts\/10154469990575603\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/<wbr \/>senann\/posts\/10154469990575603<\/a>).&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s interesting, yet nothing new, to watch how the political left and right are both complicit in silencing, derailing and displacing discussions on caste whilst publically entertaining the thought (no more than that) to be sympathetic towards the possibility of a Dalit movement. But Dalits don\u2019t need your sympathy nor your condescending words.<\/p>\n<p>Senan pompously writes in one section: \u201cany thinking person would recognise the obvious flaws \u2013 caste oppression is recent history compared to the history of Tamil culture\/ likewise caste oppression is pan-south Asian rather than just linked to Tamil culture.\u201d Let me begin by taking this section apart: what is so-called \u201cTamil culture\u201d to begin with? And when can \u2018it\u2019, according to street fighter Senan, be dated to? The naive idea that there is something like a single fold \u2018Tamil culture\u2019 is not just outright ignorant, but also violent. It\u2019s a hegemonic ideology often propagated by privileged groups to position their particular group cultures and identities as the norms \u2013 against and at the expenses of those who lack the privilege to mainstream their cultures and identities. Their lives become the appendix to those who fit the norm of what is assumed as \u2018Tamil culture\u2019. But, sorry, Senan, there is no single Tamil culture \u2013 and there never was. This current trend to promote the idea of one\u2019Tamil culture\u2019, particularly strongly articulated in diaspora, contradicts the lived experience of many. It promotes the customs, histories, memories, experiences and identities of the upper castes and classes whilst erasing the particularities of traditions, rituals and histories of those who lack such privilege. It further erases the violence and oppression negated, belittled or purposely misinterpreted by privileged groups. And you are, Senan, as proven by your words and despite your so-called \u201cprogressive credentials\u201d, part of the issue.<\/p>\n<p>To claim that Tamil culture lives seperately and in isolation from caste, therefore can be judged and analysed without a caste analysis, is outright stupid. Untouchability amongst people who are today understood as Tamils existed for several centuries if not longer. It\u2019s not just \u201crecent\u201d as you claim it to be. But let\u2019s say, for arguments sake, your idea of \u2018Tamil culture\u2019 might outdate today\u2019s manifestations of caste. How does that then matter though for a current analysis of caste and so-called contemporary \u2018Tamil culture\u2019? Don\u2019t you think that your understanding of Tamil culture today is a product of casteism? Sounds a bit like a desperate attempt by a cultural nationalists to whitewash, or rather Velllalarwash, so-called \u201cTamil culture\u201d. \u201cIt\u2019s not of our making, it was imposed on \u201cus\u201d by someone else\u201d. Thus, no responsability to hold. It\u2019s pan-South Asian? Dear God, you just opened my eyes. It\u2019s not just \u201cus\u201d who are fucked, its all South Asians. In other words, we are all acquitted because we are all guilty. Amnesty for all. Great. Kudos for this, yet again, revolutionary revelation, Senan.<\/p>\n<p>Today, Tamil culture, whatever you assume and interpret it to be, is caste culture as caste is deeply enmeshed throughout all cultural formations, which are for the most part regulated via caste. You won\u2019t find one single \u201cTamil culture\u201d but the cultures of Brahmins, Vellalars, Karaiyars, Nallavars, Paraiyars, etc. It\u2019s not \u201cour people\u201d \u2013 it hardly ever has been (unless it served the national cause) \u2013 but \u201cthem\u201d and \u201cus\u201d. The native promotion of a single idea or construct of a Tamil ethnicity or race is rather of recent making and responds almost solely to Sinhala supremacy claims. It remains, however, strongly challenged by deep notions of caste identitities and centuries of segregation as well as oppressions. And it isn\u2019t necessarily Dalits and other lower castes who are responsible for this challenge to assertions of Tamil nationalism as you make it seem. It\u2019s the sole responsibility of those who over centuries upheld this violent system and continue to harvest its fruits. Yes, caste is as much historic as its contemporary. Yes, it\u2019s even going to continue to exist in the future. You know why? Because it\u2019s structural. It\u2019s kinda irritating to feel the need to rephrase that to someone who claims to fight against structural forms of oppression. Class is not just structural, but caste too. There you have it. And to \u201ccomplicate\u201d it further: they even intersect!<\/p>\n<p>Senan continuous in his revolutionary rant to state that caste culture \u201cisn\u2019t necessary to continue. It could be common sense to many (\u2026)\u201d Oh, hear, hear. I stopped counting how many right-wing, centrist and left-wing folks have tried to lecture me on how caste will discontinue with time. I guess similar as to how we will, if we aren\u2019t already, live in a post-racial, post-classist and post-patriarchal society, we will also, one sweet day, reach the age of a post-casteist society. Not by actively doing something, of course. No, we just need to lean back and watch it die. Because that\u2019s how we roll.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s interesting how, yet again, non-privileged groups\u2019 political identities and political activism are dismissed as mere \u201cidentity politics\u201d, which is, of course, self-serving and driven by egocentric believes. How could it be different? Would you call the politics of the working class, the politics of feminists and others as dissmissively \u201cidentity politics\u201d? I bet not. Let me straighten this for you, my dear comrade: your politics is as much identity politics, if you like, as are mine. It\u2019s just that you choose to silence your identities, the spaces and places you come from, whereas I don\u2019t. The hypervisibility of my identities do, however, not erase your identities or those of others. You are just as much invested in your identities as am I, only that I choose to confront them, whereas you apparently don\u2019t. Which is quite telling in itself.<\/p>\n<p>At this point, let me again thank you for your selfless sacrifices (that you of course needed to mention) of fighting against, as you claim, both caste, sexism, racism and classism.<\/p>\n<p>Even more entertaining is this phrase in Senan\u2019s lecture: \u201cWe never see them on the streets, or shedding sweat in real battles.\u201d What are the\u201dreal battles\u201d? And since when are you the arbiter to decide what the \u201creal battles\u201d are and where the \u201csweat is shed\u201d? This is just one illustration of the hypocracy and poisonous attitudes that sometimes exist in organising circles which are just as much ego-driven as are others. It\u2019s not for you to decide where the \u201creal battle\u201d is and where people need to fight \u201ctheir battles\u201d. No, Senan, I don\u2019t need to hold posters at a random junction in London with you in order to gain the \u201cstreet credits\u201d that you dwell in. I don\u2019t need you to patronise me by telling me how and where to fight my battles for them to be just. Neither do I need your silly acknowledgments or blessings to fight against structural forms of oppression. You simply don\u2019t have a monopoly on progressive politics. And neither should you claim or pretend to have one.<\/p>\n<p>I don\u2019t know how you \u201cseriously build the organised struggle of the oppressed\u201d by appropriating their cultures and violently erasing them. But hey, you know what? If you really think that if the oppressors suddenly play the instruments designated to the oppressed, symbols of oppression, violence and resistance\u060c without acknowledging the violent history embedded in them, then go ahead. And good luck with it.<\/p>\n<p>Last note: since it\u2019s not just tiring to discuss with the likes of you but also annoying as hell, I\u2019m gonna leave it at that and not waste any further time than I already have with pseudo leftist \u201cintellectuals\u201d who pick and choose the struggles to fight whilst undermining those of others.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><strong>Here is Sinthujan responce<\/strong><br \/>\nNot planning to read Senan\u2019s response to me re: Parai as I\u2019m too exhausted of dealing with more caste obfuscators and apologists, but saw the following citation reshared by Santhors JP on my feed. Now I\u2019m personally no more interested in prolonging this debate as I\u2019ve said what needed to be said, but this begs for a reply:<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThis group (Parai, Voice of Freedom) however did not emerge with any particular identity. It is also informed by the use of ancient instruments by the African population at political meetings in London. The youth saw Parai as a Tamil instrument \u2013 and as a symbol of freedom \u2013 and wanted to popularise it as a freedom symbol in the west. They were totally aware of the caste connotation; however, for them the Parai is not only an instrument of \u2018caste liberation\u2019.<\/p>\n<p>To assume that an individual and groups can exist in a social vacuum is quite wrong to say the least. We don\u2019t need to enunciate particular identites or rally under their banner for these identities to exist, become true and matter. They can very well exist without being brought into the spotlight, without ever being mentioned, without every consciously identifying with them. What the author is basically trying to say is that we can choose to highlight and erase our identities at any given moment, however they suit us.<\/p>\n<p>Now a group like \u2018Parai Voice of Freedom\u2019 can bring together people of all walks of life, identifying with a number of things, but let\u2019s be clear: what they share is being part of the 1.5 and second generation of the diaspora who identify with Eelam, thus are already subject of a particular narrative, politicisation and form of identity politics. Of course they didn\u2019t come together to say \u201chey, we are a Vellalar or Karaiyar or whatever group\u201d. Few groups ever do and yet they silently carry these identities and the politics that come with it. They are informed by it. Similar things can be said about diasporic temple organisations, village organisations, school alumni groups and so on and forth.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe youth saw Parai as a Tamil instrument \u2013 and as a symbol of freedom \u2013 and wanted to popularise it as a freedom symbol in the west.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>This again points to how diaspora acts as a space for reimagination where multiple actors reinvent themselves, our past and with it also our future. To say that Parai is a a \u201cTamil instrument\u201d and a \u201csymbol of freedom\u201d just points to the dangers of revisonism which thrive all over diaspora. The question should be: who do they benefit but those who have, over centuries, exploited the caste status quo?<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThey were totally aware of the caste connotation;\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I strongly doubt this. Otherwise I wouldn\u2019t need to argue with you and this entire exercise wouldn\u2019t feel like speaking to a wall if this was ever the case. Additionally, the assumptions of Parai being a \u201csymbol of freedom\u201d or \u201cTamil instrument\u201d would never stand grounds in your imagination if any of this was ever taken into consideration.<\/p>\n<p>\u201chowever, for them the Parai is not only an instrument of \u2018caste liberation\u2019.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Yes, and this is where social location matters as well as the sovereignty of interpretation, which remains to be claimed and monopolized by those in power: the upper castes, classes and men.<\/p>\n<p><strong>This is what i said<\/strong><br \/>\nFriend of mine pointed out to me- Sinthujan response to my article \u2013 he claimed he is not going to read it (no surprised). But he did read it \u2013 because he decided to pick and choose to answer \/or should i say sneer without substance. If he had any intellectual honesty, he could have admitted to number of mistakes he done. If that is too much \u2013 he could have tried to answer number of the political points raised in the reply. That way he could have taken the discussion towards constructive argument.<br \/>\nInstead look what he had done. Despite lengthy text in front of him (which elaborates difference in tactics and absolute need to fight caste system with special emphasis on fighting the core reason that keeps it alive) he dismisses it with the statement \u2013 \u201ccaste obfuscators and apologists\u201d! Hypocrisy is breath-taking. What an insult from a boy who grown up comfortably and abuse others to protect that comfort. I am not sure he understands the weight of this accusation. Repeating this tantrum is not going make your mistakes goes away.<br \/>\nI don\u2019t think he read what he writes. Did anyone hide their identity or caste? But to Mr \u201ccaste detective\u201d they pointed out that he never spoke to them \u2013 either about caste or about the group. In fact he has no knowledge about what is going on. He just attacks people for his petit gains.<br \/>\nEelam struggle don\u2019t have single narrative. It is complex\u2013 please read the history. Responding like this to me- you are not just attacking me \u2013instead insulting huge number of Dalit activists (then and now \u2013 for this or that reason \u2013they participated\/participating in Eelam struggle).<br \/>\nThink for a minute: you say you strongly \u201cdoubt\u201d that the people involved are \u201caware\u201d of caste connotation to parai. Then based on that \u201cdoubt\u201d you began to insult others. Why didn\u2019t you just ask them? I wrote the article after I talked to number of youth \u2013 it\u2019s not just my opinion. But you still refuse to accept and carry on with your insult. Don\u2019t you have any integrity?<br \/>\nI pointed out in my article that \u201csymbol of freedom\u201d or \u201cTamil instrument\u201d etc comes from India \u2013 from various groups \u2013 it\u2019s not just a diaspora phenomenon \u2013 Use of parai in nationalist events existed even before 2009 (in Sri Lanka and in India) \u2013 did you care to check when and why and by whom? In a hurry to be \u201cclever\u201d you do come out as someone who refuse to understand even the basics<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>(This response connected to earlier debate \u2013 Please see notes (3) for additional details\u00a0) The Parai, a musical instrument dating back to ancient times, is used by the south Indian population. 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